Sunday, August 25, 2019

It was not the intent of the Spirit that a people would not need other people to teach them

Pr. He saith,  the Apostle never bred up any that they needed no man to teach them, page 53.

Answ. And so giveth John the lye, who saith,  Ye need no man to teach you, but as the same anointing teacheth you: And the Apostle, who saith; ye need not say every man to his neighbour, know the Lord, &c. and denies the effectual work of the new Covenant. But all shall know him from the least to the greatest, Hebr.

Source: The Great Mystery of the Great Whore, by George Fox, pg. 7 London, 1659.

Ministrial Gifts

Pr. And he saith, Ministeriall gifts are not now to be found in the world, such as the Ministers of the gospel had in the Primitive time.

Answ. Therefore no such ministerial work now as was then, nor any such officers as Pastors, Teachers, &c. as were then!

Answ. He hath preached himselfe to be one of the false spirits which went forth from the Apostles into the world: And yet he saith, Christ is with them to the end of the world. And yet saith there is no hearing of his voyce, nor seeing him, nor handling him; so he hath confounded himself, and shewed to all that he hath quenched the spirit among you all.

Source: The Great Mystery of the Great Whore, by George Fox, pg. 6. London, 1659.

The Nature of the Gospel

Pr. He saith,  Is not the gospel an external way, &c.?

Answ. No, the Gospel is a living way which is revealed within, and is the power of God to salvation.

Source: The Great Mystery of the Great Whore, by George Fox. Pg. 6. London. 1659.

Saturday, August 24, 2019

Without form the power of God falls or The power of God preserves the Form.

Pr. He saith, If they can but destroy all formes, the power will fall with it; for the form preserves the power, page 37.

Answ. Contrary to the Apostle; many have the form, but deny the power. The power preserves the forme, sees the end of forms, and destroys them, and brings to see before forms were, where forms are not. For the Apostles who lived in the power, denied the Jewes forms, and Gentiles both, as we do now deny the Popish forms, and yours which you have invented and set up.

Source: The Great Mystery of the Great Whore, by George Fox, pg. 5. London, 1659.

The immediate voyce which speaks within, which we never knew.

Pr. And he saith,  there is an immediate voyce which speaks within, which we have never heard, nor do we know it within ourselves experimentally, and we believe and hope that we never shall know it, &c. page 30.

Answ. And so shews, that they never knew the spirit of the Father speaking within them, but follow their own dreams and spirits, and stop their ear against that of God in them; and they blesse themselves from that immediate voyce within, and calls it the voice of the Devil, which is the spirit of inspiration, and the word of God in their hearts, which men must obey and do.

Source: The Great Mystery of the Great Whore, by George Fox, pg. 5. London, 1659.

The Scriptures is the voice of Christ

Pr. He saith,  the Scriptures is the voice of Christ to them, &c.

Answ. And Christ said to the them that had the Scriptures, They never heard the voyce of God at any time, to the Pharisees. John 5. For there thou art un-put forth amongst the sheep, and they heard the voyce that gave forth the Scripture, and came to the life, and Christ at the end of them.

Source: The Great Mystery of the Great Whore, by George Fox. Pg. 4. London, 1659

The Gospel is the Letter or the Gospel is the Power of God.

Pr. And he saith, the Gospel is the Letter, &c.

Answ. The Apostle saith, it is the power of God; and the letter kils, and many may have the form, and deny the power, and so stand against the Gospel, which is the power of God.

Source: The Great Mystery of the Great Whore, by George Fox, pg. 4 London, 1659.


Christ resides in heaven nor to be seen, heard, or touched.

Pr. He saith, that Christ is in heaven in his humanity, therefore not to be seen, not to be heard, not to be handled by us or any others that live upon earth, and they cannot give their own assurance, &c. page 19.

Answ. So shews that they were never made Ministers by him, who never saw him, nor heard him, so never handled the word of life from the Father nor the Son, nor saw it, nor heard it, so are the Pastors that spoil the flock. And he is the earthly Adam and humanity, but Christ the second Adam is the Lord from heaven.

Source: The Great Mystery of the Great Whore, by George Fox, pg. 4. London, 1659

Friday, August 23, 2019

Immediate Inspiration not received by the Saints

Pr. The Pastor saith, That such a voyce as comes immediately from God we have not heard, and such an immediate inspiration as this from God we have not received, nor do we wait for it, page 13.

Answ. So showing himselfe to be of them that God never sent: So you are as the Jewes that could say, Moses heard the voice of God, and the Prophets heard the Lords voyce. But their own eares were stopped to the voyce. For Christ said, Ye have not heard the voyce of God at any time. And ye say ye look not for it: and you that deny immediate inspiration, have denied the power of the spirit, for that is immediate, and the Ministers of Christ witnesse it.

Source: The Great Mystery of the Great Whore, by George Fox, pg. 3 London, 1659.

Infallible Judgement from Scripture without the Spirit

Pr. He saith, there is an infallible judgment, which may be made from the Scriptures without the spirit, page 9.

Answ. Who can judge infallibly without the spirit? Christ told the Pharisees (who had the Scriptures)  They were of the devill, and judgment they had neglected, and he did not own their judgment to be infallible. And the Apostle saith, what they knew who were separate from the spirit, they knew naturally as brute beasts, Jude 10 and 19. though they spoke high words in hypocrisie. And there art thou with thy infallible judgment. as thou said, without the spirit, (which is proved fallible) and there is no infallible judgment to be given that stands without the spirit; they that judge without the spirit, will judge amisse, and not infallibly, as the Jewes did of Christ, and as the natural brute beasts did which Jude speaks of; there art thou.

Source: The Great Mystery of the Great Whore, by George Fox, pg. 2 London, 1659.

Spirit of Christ distinct from the Saints

Pr. He saith,  Though we believe that the spirit of Christ dwells in the Saints, yet we assert the spirit of Christ to be distinct from the Saints, &c.

Answ. How are they led by the spirit, how are they led into all truth? And how are they sanctified by the spirit, and their unity in the spirit? By which spirit they have unity with God; by which spirit the Saints worship him. And he that is joined to the Lord is one spirit; he that hath not the spirit of Christ is none of his. And so they are distinct from it; but they are not so that have it, and are in unity with it, and one with another with God.

Source: The Great Mystery of the Great Whore, by George Fox, pg. 1, London, 1659

Thursday, August 22, 2019

Essential Union with eternal Spirit.

Principle. He saith,  he doth not believe that there is any substantial, essential, or personal union betwixt the eternal spirit and believers?

Answer. Although the Scripture saith, the spirit dwells in the saints, 1 Cor. 6. and he that is joined to the Lord is one Spirit, 1 John 1. As though the Saints had not union with God, which the scriptures saith they have.

Source: The Great Mystery of the Great Whore, by George Fox, pg. 1, London, 1659

Samuel Eaton and the sufficient Guide

Likewise, in his Epistle to the Reader, because Richard Waller witnesseth his Teacher within, and bids others to mind the Light within them; and that he was come off from all other Teachers, &c. he judgeth this to be delusion; Contrary to John the Apostle, who saith,  Ye need no man to teach you, but as the same anointing teacheth you, which is truth, and is no lye. John 2. 27. And again, in Heb. 8.  Ye shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord, for they shall all know him from the least to the greatest: for the Lord will write his law in their hearts, and put his spirit within them, &c.

Source: The Great Mystery of the Great Whore, by George Fox, pg. 1, London, 1659
Dialogue One

Friday, August 16, 2019

The Process of Labeling (or reflecting upon) others.

George Fox, in a letter to Collonell Bennett, (who apparently was the first to use the term Quaker to reference The Children of Light) writes about the nature of the process of Naming reflecting upon other people.
... soe thou hast bine one of the beasts heads, that gives the names which doe not the saints nor Apostles nor Christ teach Any such docktrine, that the saints should doe soe, but all this Giving of names Among people is come upp Among you from them that are Apostatised, the divells geneation and the dragons power and soe to cause the people to give names on to Another, wherby to Envy one another and to hate one Another, and this they are Ignorant off that they ware all off one blood and mould that dwell uppon the face of the whole Earth, and Ignorant of the doctrine of Christ and the Apostles which is Love, and stopts that which causes Envy and hatreed, soe that which went out of the truth and aboad not in truth is the Enmyty is the cause of people hating one Another, and the quakers now in scorne called soe shall make the nations Tremble. Source: The Journal of George Fox, Cambridge Edition, pg. 8.
Fox here observes that entering into the process of naming, labeling, or reflecting upon other people is the cause of envy and hatred between people. And that Love, stops the process of naming which is the cause of Envy and Hatred.

Friday, August 2, 2019

Quakers have a Spirit beyond all their forefathers since the days of the Apostles

Pr. He saith, ‘The Quakers know a man whether he be a saint or a devil, as soon as they see him, or hear him speak, or act, and they are beyond all our forefathers. And the apostle saith, “What man knoweth the things of a man, saving the spirit of a man that is in him,” so ye are not as Christ in this respect.’ And thou sayst ‘thou art as Christ in this present world: and no man can be without sin in this house of clay.’ And sayst, ‘ I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me; and my flesh is sin’s freehold;’ &c. pages 94,95.

Answ. Here thou hast showed that the Quakers have a spirit given to them beyond all the forefathers (which we do witness) since the days of the apostles, in the apostacy. And they that are in the power and the life of truth, can discern who are saints, who are devils, and who are apostates, without ever speaking a word. And the natural man knows not the things that are in another man; but with the spirit within him may know what is in himself: but the spiritual man searcheth all things, yea the deep things of God. Here thou hast made no distinction betwixt the spiritual and natural. And as Christ ‘is, so are we in this present world;’ and where Christ is manifest, he destroys sin in the flesh ; here they come to be as he is, they come to be above clay and mortal, and fading, and so the flesh, which thou calls sin’s freehold, comes to be put off, and the body of it, and they come to be made free from the law by the body of Christ. And the creature comes into the liberty of the sons of God. And this the saints witnessed while they were on earth. And as thou wast born in iniquity, thou showest thou wast born in the unregeneration; there were some sanctified from the womb, there are some children clean, who are believers. He that can receive it, let him. So thou art an ignorant man, not able to divide the word aright, nor canst minister unto the people, not knowing the condition they are in, unless they tell thee, and so art apostatized from the apostles, and not one of the ministers of the spirit, that minister to the spirit; for could not the apostles preach and speak to the Jews and Gentiles, unless they came and told them what condition they were in? or did all the Jews and Gentiles come and tell the apostles what condition they were in before they preached to them?

Source: The Great Mystery of the Great Whore pg. 89 London. 1659.

Ministers bring people off formality.

Pr. Here he ſaith, We do utterly deny all their ways and doćtrines who exclude all teachings of men. See page 5. Anſ. Contrary to the ...